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Still can't figure out why we're flying it as our "Main" fighter aircraft in our European campaign in H&G

http://forum.heroesandgenerals.com/view ... 17&t=42384

Woody051 wrote:

Yes, for those who don't know the specifics, the P-38 primarily saw action in the pacific theater not so much in the European theater.
[spoiler]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_P-38_Lightning
The P-38 was used most successfully in the Pacific Theater of Operations and the China-Burma-India Theater of Operations as the aircraft of America's top aces, Richard Bong (40 victories), Thomas McGuire (38 victories) and Charles H. MacDonald (36 victories). In the South West Pacific theater, the P-38 was the primary long-range fighter of United States Army Air Forces until the appearance of large numbers of P-51D Mustangs toward the end of the war.[8][9][/spoiler]

To take this a step further the game only says "[P-38 Lightning]" when you get a kill with it. It does not specify what variant of the airplane this is such as with the Germans we know it is a "E" variant of the Messerschmitt BF-109 (http://heroesandgenerals.gamepedia.com/ ... itt_Bf_109) and with Russia it is the "9B" variant of the Yakolev Yak (http://heroesandgenerals.gamepedia.com/Yakovlev_Yak-9B)

http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.c ... 0EE231951/

The P-38 Lighting in game is designated so one does not really know what variant type it truly is. (http://heroesandgenerals.gamepedia.com/ ... _Lightning) So which one is it?

http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft ... raft_id=74

Why the P-38 is not ideal nor historically accurate for Heroes and Generals
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_ ... an_theater

I am siting that link above to help with this explanation and summary.
  • August 1942 - USA begins to send P-38's to Great Britain (USA to Iceland to Great Britain)
  • November 1942 - With few engagements the P-38's are relocated to North Africa
  • 5 April 1943, 26 P-38Fs of the 82nd claimed 31 enemy aircraft destroyed, helping to establish air superiority in the area, and earning it the German nickname "der Gabelschwanz Teufel" – the Fork-Tailed Devil.
  • The P-38 remained active in the Mediterranean for the rest of the war. It was in this theatre that the P-38 suffered its heaviest losses in the air.
  • On 25 August 1943, 13 P-38s were shot down in a single sortie by Jagdgeschwader 53 Bf 109s without achieving a single kill.
  • Franz Schiess (who was also the leading "Lightning" killer in the Luftwaffe with 17 destroyed).[60] Kurt Bühligen, third highest scoring German pilot on the Western front with 112 victories, recalled later: “The P-38 fighter (and the B-24) were easy to burn. Once in Africa we were six and met eight P-38s and shot down seven. One sees a great distance in Africa and our observers and flak people called in sightings and we could get altitude first and they were low and slow.”
  • General der Jagdflieger Adolf Galland was unimpressed with the P-38, declaring, "it had similar shortcomings in combat to our Bf 110, our fighters were clearly superior to it."
  • September 1943 P-38H's transferred to England to perform bomber-escort missions
  • War missions for that plane were limited, as the Italian petrol was too corrosive for the Lockheed tanks.[70] Other Lightnings were eventually acquired by Italy for postwar service. (P-38 Missions were limited on Allied-brand fuel supplies)
  • In a particular case when faced by more agile fighters at low altitudes in a constricted valley, Lightnings suffered heavy losses.
  • June 10th 1944 P-38J's Began service in Italy
  • "We had found out that the Bf 109 and the Fw 190 could fight up to a Mach of 0.75, three-quarters the speed of sound. We checked the Lightning and it couldn't fly in combat faster than 0.68. So it was useless. We told Doolittle that all it was good for was photo-reconnaissance and had to be withdrawn from escort duties. And the funny thing is that the Americans had great difficulty understanding this because the Lightning had the two top aces in the Far East."
  • After evaluation tests at Farnborough, the P-38 was kept in fighting service in Europe for a while longer. However, even if many of the aircraft's problems were fixed with the introduction of the P-38J, by September 1944, all but one of the Lightning groups in the Eighth Air Force had converted to the P-51 Mustang. The Eighth Air Force continued to conduct reconnaissance missions using the F-5 variant.

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    http://acepilots.com/planes/p38_lightning.html
  • Over Europe - For a variety of reasons, the P-38 was not highly regarded, nor widely used, in the European Theater.
As you can see although yes there was some usage of the P-38 in the European theater the number of them used and the frequency in which they were used does not make the aircraft remarkable. When this airplane is mirrored against a BF-109E and a Yakolev Yak 9B the logic is in question. The P-38 by design and limitation was more suited for long-range fighter-escort, reconnaissance, and ground attack missions. It is with these facts i wish to point out that this airplane is in a league of its own and that the game is effected by your decision to implement it as the primary fighter aircraft of the united states.

Aircraft Facts:
[spoiler]http://www.wwiifoundation.org/students/wwii-aircraft-facts/

WWII MOST-PRODUCED COMBAT AIRCRAFT
Ilyushin IL-2 Sturmovik 36,183
Yakolev Yak-1,-3,-7, -9 31,000+
Messerschmitt Bf-109 30,480
Focke-Wulf Fw-190 29,001
Supermarine Spitfire/Seafire 20,351
Convair B-24/PB4Y Liberator/Privateer 18,482
Republic P-47 Thunderbolt 15,686
North American P-51 Mustang 15,875
Junkers Ju-88 15,000
Hawker Hurricane 14,533
Curtiss P-40 Warhawk 13,738
Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress 12,731
Vought F4U Corsair 12,571
Grumman F6F Hellcat 12,275
Petlyakov Pe-2 11,400
Lockheed P-38 Lightning 10,037
Mitsubishi A6M Zero 10,449
North American B-25 Mitchell 9,984
Lavochkin LaGG-5 9,920
Note: The LaGG-5 was produced with both water-cooled (top) and air-cooled (bottom) engines.
Grumman TBM Avenger 9,837
Bell P-39 Airacobra 9,584
Nakajima Ki-43 Oscar 5,919
DeHavilland Mosquito 7,780
Avro Lancaster 7,377
Heinkel He-111 6,508
Handley-Page Halifax 6,176
Messerschmitt Bf-110 6,150
Lavochkin LaGG-7 5,753
Boeing B-29 Superfortress 3,970
Short Stirling 2,383

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http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft ... raft_id=74[/spoiler]

And so for the P-38 to remain there must be a German and a Soviet plane of similar performance added for fighter-recon. And/or the Americans desperately need an actual fighter plane.
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what kills me is that it is so slow in the game. It was so much faster in RL :(
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scoutsniper wrote: what kills me is that it is so slow in the game. It was so much faster in RL :(


That and the countless evidence that it was not used much in Europe and the uses in Europe were often other than that of a fighter plane. There's plenty of factual data that shows that the P-38 show its primary usage in the Pacific theater and that there are more logical candidates for the primary US Fighter aircraft when chosen from the European theater.

Reto doesn't tell us what version of P-38 we have in game. it only says [P-38 Lightning] when you kill someone. Whereas with the Germans we know they have a "E-4" Variant" of the Messerschmitt BF109 and the Russians have the "9B" variant of the Yaklolev Yak 9.

http://heroesandgenerals.gamepedia.com/Fighter_planes

P-38: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_P-38_Lightning

P-38 Lightning Right... but what variant? What specs?

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http://heroesandgenerals.gamepedia.com/ ... _Lightning

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Older screenshot but still

Messerschmitt BF 109E-4

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messersch ... riants#E-4

http://heroesandgenerals.gamepedia.com/ ... itt_Bf_109

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Yakovlev Yak-9

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http://heroesandgenerals.gamepedia.com/Yakovlev_Yak-9B

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakovlev_Yak-9#Variants



H&G Aircraft Tiers Suggestions Thread: https://heroesandgenerals.com/forums/topic/1170419/
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We can´t have good planes, this would make us too OP :P
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